Guest Post – “Quest-ce que the Hel?”- Unexplained Mysteries of Lost Girl (Season 5a Update)

Mahlers5th and Valksy are back to share with us an in-depth analysis of unanswered questions and a mid season-5 review! Thanks, you two!

Mahlers5th

Who hired Tamsin to find Bo? And what exactly is the relationship between the Wanderer and Hades?

I should probably just let The Wanderer rest in peace, but I am constitutionally unable to let a loose end dangle, particularly one that occupied such an important place in the story arc for two seasons. So let’s go to the videotape one last time.

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R.I.P. (Rest In Perpetuity)

The Wanderer first makes his presence known to Bo (and the viewer) in episode 308 (Fae-ge Against the Machine) when Bo turns over nothing but Wanderer tarot cards during her pre-Dawning scavenger hunt in Brazenwood. Tamsin later asks Bo, “So what is it with this Wanderer?” Bo has no clue and, neither does Tamsin – or so she professes. But as she is showered with Wanderer cards falling from the night sky at the end of episode 308, Tamsin is forced to acknowledge that Bo is “the One” that her boss hired her to find and now wants to claim. And for now, her boss – whoever he is — apparently wants to be identified as The Wanderer.

There were more than a few hints offered in season 3 – particularly during the Dawning (episode 309, Ceremony) and by Tamsin herself at the end of episode 313 (Those Who Wander) — that The Wanderer might be Bo’s father, but this was never established for certain.

In episode 310 (Delinquents), Acacia hands Tamsin a Wanderer card and says, “He knows you’ve found her. Now it’s time to finish the job,” reinforcing the suggestion that the powerful client who hired them to find Bo at the very least wants to be identified as The Wanderer. Tamsin suggests she’ll find someone else he’ll want more and make a trade, to which Acacia responds acidly, “Name one person he wants more than this girl.” When Tamsin protests that Bo is too powerful, Acacia gives her the rune glass (“he thought of that”) with instructions about what she needs to collect to overpower Bo: “The Druid will take care of the rest.”

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In episode 405 (Turn to Stone), Massimo later confirms he created a special elixir for The Wanderer as an “insurance policy” in case Tamsin didn’t come through with her mission. The potion marked Bo so that she could be collected by The Wanderer’s crows and transcend planes.

In episode 408 (Groundhog Fae), Tamsin tells Bo, “One look in his eyes and I knew I’d never met true evil…I told myself I was powerless to refuse this beast so I accepted his bounty to find a woman…Eyes both brown and blue. Virtuous yet lustful. Neither Dark no Light, yet both.” When Bo asks if the Wanderer could be her father, Tamsin responds ambiguously – without confirming the beast identified itself as The Wanderer– “That thing would’ve done anything to claim his ideal mate. Even if it meant creating her himself.” Hmm Tamsin…is that Daddy, yes? Or Daddy, no?

In episode 411 (End of a Line), Acacia makes one last appearance and tells Bo that it was the Wanderer who had his crows cut off her hand “because his protégé here [nodding towards Tamsin] didn’t deliver you as quickly as he wanted.” Acacia has come to convince Tamsin to join her in bringing down the Wanderer. She suspects Rainer is The Wanderer, but Tamsin is less certain. She wants to be sure. Bo tells them she “just knows” that Rainer is not the Wanderer and was not responsible for kidnapping her. Sure enough, when references to Rainer start to reappear in the Fae history books, the ink still not yet dry, Tamsin sees a picture of Rainer and tells Bo, “That’s not my boss.

In Episode 412 (Origin), Lauren reads prophesies in the Fae texts that refer to Rainer by name and describe him as a fanged tooth, horned demon beast of pure evil. After a thousand years, the book reveals, he will be unbound to bring about hell on Earth and betray the Fae. Lauren later shows Bo a passage she found with an illustration labelled “The Wanderer” showing a fanged tooth demon beast who bears some resemblance to a bearded Rainer. But since Tamsin had already revealed in the preceding episode that Rainer was not the beast who hired her, then we must conclude either that the resemblance is a coincidence or that someone/something may have revised the Fae history books to implicate Rainer as The Wanderer. Who? For what purpose?

At the end of season 4, all we know for certain is that Tamsin was hired to find Bo by an evil beast who may or may not be The Wanderer, may or may not be Bo’s father, and may or may not occasionally make an appearance as a fire-breathing demon steed named Pyrippus.

In other words, we know jack squat.

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As the final season begins (episode 501, Like Hell: Part 1) an entity who hired Tamsin — apparently able to track and influence events in Valhalla via blue courtesy phones — contacts her as soon as she arrives to remind her of her duty to deliver the One with “Eyes both brown and blue/Virtuous yet lustful/Heart both strong and gentle/ Neither Dark nor Light.” Tamsin knows the deal: “She is yours.” Later in the same episode, Tamsin tells Bo that the man who hired her is not the Wanderer as she’d previously thought (wow, she picked all that up from one phone call?) but someone “way more powerful.” Hmm, The Wanderer seemed pretty powerful to us, Tamsin, but whatevs. Her boss doesn’t seem to rule Valhalla itself but Freya is willing to take orders from Him and Stacey is clearly intimidated by Him.

It is never explicitly stated that the entity who hired Tamsin is Bo’s father but I think we are meant to infer this from the fact that: 1) Freya refers to the “Him” she has been holding off for Tamsin’s sake and the “Him” from another after-realm to whom Kenzi’s soul has been promised as the same entity and 2) Bo identifies the “Him” who lured Kenzi to Valhalla as her father: “I’m the one he wants. This was his plan all along. He knew that I would come” – though frankly, Bo is herself in the dark about her father’s identity and in episode 413 (Dark Horse) seemed quite prepared to believe it was Pyrippus.

The writers didn’t keep us in suspense for long. In the season’s second episode (Like Hell: Part 2), Persephone reveals that Bo’s father is Hades, Lord of the Underworld. Many possibilities present themselves at this juncture – and even more questions. Was Hades the evil beast who hired Tamsin? Was he the Wanderer? If so, did Hades assume an identity as The Wanderer — first with Tamsin & Acacia, later with Bo — merely as an alias, to conceal his true identity? From whom? Did He also plant misdirections about Rainer in the Fae texts to make it appear that Rainer was The Wanderer? Why? Was he masking his true intentions? From whom? Or was Hades hiding behind The Wanderer persona to protect Bo’s true identity? From whom? The Ancients certainly seemed unaware that Bo Dennis was Hades’ daughter until Hera found her name, along with her special power as a succubus, in Trick’s ledger at the Dal.

excedrinConversely, if Hades is not the Wanderer (or wasn’t posing as The Wanderer), then who is this Wanderer and what is the relationship between him and Hades? Did Hades engage The Wanderer to find and collect Bo and bring her to him? Or did The Wanderer merely use Hades for his own ends? My head hurts.

Equally puzzling is the fact that at the end of episode 505 (It’s Your Lucky Fae), when Bo reveals she was born in Hel (Tartarus) and that Hades is her father, Tamsin acts as if this is news to her: “That was him who I sat across when I made the deal. Eyes both brown and blue. That was Hades,” she says with a tone of wonderment. Who else could she have been referring to in episode 501 when she said she was hired by an entity “way more powerful” than the Wanderer, if not Hades? Is she playing dumb with Bo in episode 505? Why?

Valksy

In episode 501, we learn from Trick that we have to take anything Tamsin says with more than a pinch of salt: “A Valkyrie’s blood is bound by secrecy.” Tamsin has been keeping a secret journal and we are led to think (in a scene between Dyson, Lauren and Trick) that Tamsin is so obliged to keep secrets that she cannot even tell anyone she is keeping secrets. If she is not allowed to discuss the Underworlds and those within it under pain of death, then was anything much that she might have said up to this point actually the truth?  Or was she attempting to drop clues and hints without breaking the rules?

We must also consider – from the events after the lighting of the candle – that some entities (like Zee, Iris, and Hera) are non-corporeal body jumpers.  So we don’t necessarily know who Tamsin was speaking to when she was hired to track Bo because we don’t know if she was addressing a body or a person within it who might be someone else entirely!  If an entity is moving between bodies, this would explain why people don’t know quite who they are talking to or why the faces are unfamiliar.

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For all we know, the person who set up Acacia may have been Zee pulling strings while wearing a different body (I don’t know if that is so, but the nature of these entities is such that it could be possible)

Is what we saw, just before Tamsin & Dyson crashed at the end of season 3, a look at the non-corporeal form of whatever/whoever has been tracking Bo when it is NOT inhabiting a body?

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In episode 502, Persephone tells Bo that Hades’ powers began to wane as soon as Bo escaped Hel/Tartarus as a baby. He wasn’t even able to hold on to his own guards. And yet Trick, Tamsin, and Acacia seem “terrified” of Him – or whoever it is who calls himself the Wanderer in seasons 3 and 4. He is able to vaporize witches by remote control, make ghostly carousels appear, insert himself into Bo’s Dawning, command the ravens to do his bidding, kidnap Bo and bring her across dimensional planes to the Death Train, and concoct a grand scheme to lure Bo across the BiFrost to Valhalla to find Kenzi. In episode 501, Tamsin refers to him as “way more powerful” than the Wanderer. It is hard to reconcile the image of this godly Fae mastermind maneuvering Bo into playing her prescribed role in his grand design with the powerless denizen of Hel who can’t hold on to his own staff. In fact, Hades apparently needs to feed off Bo – via the umbilical “Wanderer’s mark” – for sustenance and he needs her help to be freed from imprisonment.

This is reminiscent of Zee’s need to feed off the electricity/energy generated by the crowd of fans at the football game in episode 506 (Clear Eyes, Fae Hearts). Maybe both Hades and Zee need Bo as a source of energy or wish to exploit her ability to drain chi from a crowd. But if Hades were truly Bo’s father, then according to Trick, he already shares her group-chi-suck talents and ability revive the dead. Why hasn’t he used these abilities to date to power up and free himself? Is it possible that Hades is not Bo’s father or is merely posing as her father for unknown reasons? After all, the person who identified him to Bo as her father was Persephone and who knows how reliable she is or whose side she’s really on? If Hades is not Bo’s father then who is? Maybe Sister Epona and the crazy pony ladies were right about the Pyrippus all along (we know a fire-breathing horse will make an appearance in season 5b).

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Just smite me right now, O mighty smiter!

Valksy

I agree that whoever or whatever haunted Bo in season 3 certainly seemed to have a great deal of power in both realms and does not seem to be the impotent and perhaps even contained, restrained, or otherwise enfeebled Hades. Persephone describes Hades as an increasingly impotent entity abandoned by his own people as his portion of the Underworld descended into disrepair.  You’re right to ask how this reconciles with an entity that can cross all realms and work magic at will. It doesn’t make sense. If Hades created Bo for a purpose and if, in doing so, he surrendered some (or most?) of his power then how did he also haunt Bo?  The Wanderer is powerful — if Hades is weakened and impotent until Bo bonds with Rainer then they cannot be the same entity.

Bo does ask Tamsin directly in episode 408 (Groundhog Fae) if the Wanderer is her father. Although the secret diary casts anything that Tamsin may say into question, her answer is to explain that the entity who hired her (who did not identify himself as The Wanderer) “would have done anything to claim his ideal mate. Even if it meant creating her himself.” I suppose if Hades is the Wanderer, an incestuous interest in his own daughter would be just one more deeply villainous facet to the character (as if the incarceration, abuse and rape of Aife were not enough). But I truly doubt that the Lost Girl production team would venture down this path. What’s more, if the Wanderer is the powerful force we are led to believe, and Hades is a weaker and fading force, this leaves a potential escape hatch for the production. If Hades and the Wanderer are the same entity then there can surely be no question of his villainy. If Hades turn out to be a voluntary minion of the Wanderer, then his crimes against Aife still remain concrete and inexcusable — this storyline doesn’t work either. But if Hades has been exploited, tricked, coerced, mind-controlled or otherwise manipulated against his will into fathering Bo, then is there some margin for Bo to be open to dialogue, at least, if not forgiveness?

Is Hades the Wanderer? Right now everything seems to suggest he is not — both practically and in narrative terms. So who actually is the Wanderer?

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Mahlers5th

Perhaps in inducing Bo to hand bind with Rainer and open the gateway to Hel, then luring her to Valhalla and Tartarus, Hades has regained some of his power by closer proximity to the hand mark. That might explain why Freya and Tamsin seem to respect his authority in episode 501, but it still doesn’t explain who/what the powerful entity was that haunted Bo in season 3.

Valksy

In episode 501, Trick unveils a map showing the various branches of the Underworld and how they seem to have a hierarchy; Valhalla is on the same tier as Tartarus, there are other “divisions” on the same tier and lower.  At the top of this tree diagram looks to be a place called “High Heaven.”

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That’s Ms. Functionary to you

Similarly, Freya herself reminds me of the undead civil servants in the movie Beetlejuice — people whose underworld experience is stamping forms and being functionaries.  But who appointed her and what keeps her in her place?  What created these underworld divisions?  Who set the “rules” and assigned the lackeys (like Freya’s Valkyries) and why?

In Greek mythology, Hades was the ruler of the underworld but here that is clearly not – or no longer — the case.  His power was fading – at least up until Bo’s hand-fasting ceremony with Rainer opened a portal to Hel and released him from prison; I have to wonder why that was the case.

I’m not crazy about the idea of invoking an even bigger and more powerful architect who is pulling strings over it all.  But something can and does see through time and tamper with fate at will. When Trick writes in blood, what is the mechanism that makes that real?  It’s almost like a sanguine letter to Santa which comes true. I am still puzzling out what determines the natural order of things and why some have power over the natural environment, time, space and reality, and some don’t.

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Trick also seems genuinely taken aback by the news that Bo’s father is Hades. “It can’t be!” he say when Bo breaks the news in episode 507 (Here Comes the Night). Why does he sound so certain that Bo must be wrong? From the beginning, Trick has played his cards close to his chest regarding the identity of Bo’s father – professing ignorance yet seeming to know quite a bit about his qualities (including His ability – inherited by Bo — to draw life from many victims and transfer that life force to someone else). Why did Aife never mention she was kidnapped by Hades from the Dark King and imprisoned in Tartarus? And why is her tone almost rapturous when talking about Him in episode 313 (when she tells Dyson He would never let anything happen to his daughter) if this is the being who kidnapped, raped, and imprisoned her for centuries?

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These are rational questions and it’s totally valid to expect a rational answer from me

Valksy

If Bo’s father is capable of body jumping (like Zee), then the Dark King and Hades could be the same entity, inhabiting one body.  Or the Dark King could be a disciple of Hades and gave Aife to him willingly.  While it would be unsurprising that Aife did not know where she was when caged, why did Lou Ann not mention a journey between planes and how might she have achieved it? She is seen getting out of a body bag at the end of episode 108 (Vexed) which makes you wonder about other people who seem dead but are not (like the Ancients themselves).

Trick certainly does not think that Hades can be Bo’s father. Although he expresses fear of the Wanderer in episode 408, in episode 501 (in that same scene with Dyson and Lauren I referred to earlier) he explains that he thought Tartarus was just a myth. Since the Fae are human myth come true, what if the Fae have myths of their own which are also coming true now?  Could Hades be to Trick what a succubus is to humans?

The concept of multiple levels of existence – from the lowliest humans to the time/space/reality defying Ancients – also reveals a deeper aspect of Bo’s story. The Fae and the humans have an inherent collision of interests — while not all Fae kill, humans are still fodder for them. The Fae themselves indulge in the Dark/Light schism (is it simply philosophical in nature or is there a purpose to it?). Might there be a third tier of rivalry, perhaps one of an Overworld (represented by Zee and Hera) and an Underworld (Hades and perhaps Freya). Could the battle between Zee and Hades be the Ancient’s version of Light Fae versus Dark? And if so, which is Dark and which is Light, or is it even possible to discern the difference?

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This line of questioning comes to mind with how Bo relates to Hades, in that her existence as half-Ancient by bloodline means that Bo has the capacity to invest in all tiers of conflict in her world — Half-Fae and half-Ancient by nature, but raised with human sensibilities. With hints of Bo as a Messianic entity in the past (episode 313, Those Who Wander, and episode 412, Origin), does this heritage make her the ultimate weapon for the Wanderer and, if so, reduce Hades to one facet of Bo’s past rather than the key to the whole story?

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In episode 502, everything Bo does to Persephone in Tartarus is mimicked by the spirit Edimmu with Lauren. How? Why? Is there a point being made here?

Valksy

There is an inference of a psychic link between Bo and Lauren. We’re supposed to be titillated by the thought that they are actually making love to each other — except that it’s not Bo, it’s the demon creature, stealing Bo’s moves.

What? The Wanderer storyline might not be over? The horror!

I think we’re supposed to be reminded that Bo is a succubus and what the succubus myth meant. Bo’s nature as a predator from before the first episode is often side-stepped; the Edimmu entity is a proxy for Bo, red in tooth and claw and facilitated by sex-magic. It is also worth considering that some peril, particularly to a human, was required so that we would be confronted with the danger Kenzi also faces, and accept as plausible her decision to leave at the end of episode 502. If Kenzi herself was the target, then her choice becomes a more coerced one. As a witness to harm being done, is she making a more intellectual decision to leave? I have to think that we were explicitly shown than Bo isn’t always there to protect those who are most precious to her; the Fae world is an ever-present threat to humans, even if you have the most powerful entity in your corner.

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Hades was banished to the underworld for thousands of years, so when/how did he manage to kidnap Aife from the Dark Fae, bring her to Tartarus, & impregnate her (presumably as part of a plan to create Bo)? What about Lou Ann? At what point in this sequence of events does she rescue Bo?

Valksy

While I am not sure that there is anything canonical to answer this definitely, given the presence of ancient grimoires that write themselves before the eyes, the flashbacks to Tamsin’s past meeting with the Wanderer (episode 408, Groundhog Fae) and the presentation of Rainer’s long term incarceration on the train, I have to wonder if the passage of linear time, especially on other planes of existence, is not necessarily a given. If Hades was capable of crossing planes of existence between life and death itself, is time itself just as flexible and open to being traversed? That is, of course, pure theory. The answer is that we do not know, since we cannot accurately place names and faces within this story. Perhaps this is completely intentional to sustain the mystery.   But why would the passage of time serve Hades? The answer may be in Trick’s belief that Tartarus itself was just a myth and his apparent incredulity that Hades could have sired Bo. Does it serve Hades to be all but forgotten to time? Certainly this ruse was used by Trick himself, the amiable barkeep-come-King.

It is possible that — having lost control of his daughter as she was carried from his realm — Hades simply did not know where Bo was while she was growing up. If there is any argument that his Underworld is not necessarily subject to linear time (since the kidnapping and imprisonment of Aife do not seem contemporary to Bo’s time with her adoptive parents) then was it possible that Lou Ann exited his Underworld without permission and outside his influence?

In considering the progression of time and events pertaining to Bo as an infant, it is also worth questioning how Aife came to escape from her cell and how Bo was removed from the Underworld with no apparent challenge from a doting father who had been seen crooning and singing to her as a loving father (episode 309, Ceremony). Is it possible that Hades had become imprisoned in the music box — an item seen in the nursery in episode 502 — at this point and was unable to intervene?

Certainly there seems to have been a connected chain of events: the starting point (Aife) led to a threat on Bo’s life at the end of S1, which compelled Trick to write in blood, leading to the unleashing of the Garuda whose presence led to Bo demonstrating her ultimate power by the end of S2.  I wonder if this acted like a beacon to her father, the Wanderer, or both?

MoeraeI also find myself considering the closing shot of Lou Ann in episode 108 (Vexed), in which she frees herself from a body bag, and wondering if there is a correlation to the fact that Zee, in the body of Elizabeth Helm, is seen freeing herself from a morgue drawer in episode 503 (Big in Japan). Is there a connection between these two resurrections and more hints about strings being pulled and machinations that tamper with Bo’s life path? Is anyone who they are supposed to be?!

The obvious follow up question for this is — why would anyone, especially someone with powers we might describe as “god-like” go to so much trouble? If time and reality are as fluid as they seem to be now, what purpose is being served by trying to (or needing to) covertly steer Bo down a path that is not yet revealed to us?

I would argue that the answer to this is in the fatalistic themes of the show — are we born or made, and how much choice do we genuinely have in what happens to us? If Bo’s pathway to whatever punchline is waiting in the closing episodes was inevitable all along, then what is the point of the story? I find it hard to believe that Bo can be genuinely reduced to just a pawn in the game being played. Surely free will must still be possible. Is Bo’s free will required for some future event by whatever forces are trying to control — even end — her world?

Mahlers5th

I think we’re generating more questions than answers, Valksy, but the questions are certainly worth thinking about. So here’s another for you:

Why does Bo’s father let her escape not once, not twice, but three times?

Having gone to all the trouble of creating Bo, why did Hades let her escape Tartarus as a child? Having tracked her down on the earthly plane (by age 30), why did he wait to kidnap her? Having kidnapped her, why did he (or The Wanderer) then let her escape the Death Train? Having gone to all the trouble to bring Kenzi to Valhalla so Bo would follow, why let Bo escape so easily? Couldn’t he have overpowered her in the elevator (in episode 502, Like Hell-Part 2)? Is this all so she will have the illusion of freely choosing to side with him in an upcoming battle?

Valksy

I think that the answer to this may rely on our conclusion that Hades and the Wanderer are simply not the same man. It is therefore possible that there are two entities trying to guide or control Bo to their own ends. Is Bo being called on to rule as the Dark Queen as consort or as a daughter? Is it her role to free Hades from his prison, or participate in some as yet undetermined endgame with something that seems even more powerful?

Whatever the endgame is in store for Bo, if it was possible to force her to do it, why not simply do so? Maybe Bo is facing tests and trials (like Hercules or Gilgamesh) but if so, who is setting them in her way and is she passing or failing?

Hades appears to be imprisoned and impotent and I think that incidents such as the delivery of the music box (addressed by “Dad”) are orchestrated by Persephone, who has misrepresented her interests to Bo, just as (in the original Greek tales) she was not always a reluctant victim, but also a queen of the Underworld in her own right. However, I am not sure that there is evidence to suggest that Persephone has any significant power in her own right – she may simply have a vested interest in Hades being freed and returned to a position of influence. Nor is there anything to suggest that the Wanderer is interested in Hades beyond the purpose which he has already served. Perhaps the reason that we cannot make sense of some of the more confusing elements across season 3 and 4 is because they are carried out by two different factions with two different motives.

But have I ever done anything suspicious? Except for sleeping with Bo under false pretenses, I guess.
But have I ever done anything suspicious? Except for sleeping with Bo under false pretenses, I guess.

Mahlers5th

Why haven’t we seen the Dark Queen so far in season 5?

We did see “Supersuccubus” in episode 501, chi-sucking the three brothers from the Hills Have Eyes, but there is no expression of thirst for power that we’ve come to associate with her appearance. Even when Bo was within spitting distance of her father (in episode 502), there was no evidence of the kind of possession we witnessed in episodes 208, 222, 305, 309, & most recently in episode 413: “I am your Queen whether you swear it or not, fool!” she hisses at Dyson. “And my true army cometh. I was bound by blood. Now we bathe in it. Humans. Fae. All will bow before me. All will break before the power of the Pyrippus!” Are we to infer that Bo is increasingly able to control her Dark Queen side? When/how did she learn to do this? Her control still seemed so tenuous at the end of episode 413.

Valksy

Bo chi-sucking the creeps in episode 501 kicks in when she is unconscious & hurt.  She extends it to cover the whole group when one of them prepares to point a shotgun at her.  Watching the scene, I’m not sure how conscious or aware she is, or whether it is an instinctive survival mechanism. Other than this point, is Bo in the kind of deep and serious peril which has tended to trigger it in the past?  I’m not sure that it has ever been something that she can produce at will, only under duress, and she was under physical duress on the mountaintop.  You could argue that she just wasn’t otherwise sufficiently provoked.

Mahlers5th

What about The Wanderer’s mark? It didn’t make an appearance in season 5 until episode 508 (End of Faes).

Bo and Rainer both believed the mark was left on them by The Wanderer when they were on the Death Train. That was certainly where it first appeared. We also know it was stolen from the Leviathan 600 years earlier. Yet, in episode 412 (Origin), Bo indicates she is somehow linked to her father through it – when it glows, she is weakened, as if drained of chi. Are we meant to conclude that the Wanderer may have placed the hand print on Bo but that Hades, her father, is somehow profiting from or feeding off it? I’m confused.

In first half of season 5, we’ve seen no evidence that Hades is exercising any influence over Bo via the handprint, as He did at the end of season 4. Why not? Bo seems so hell-bent on ridding herself of the mark (in episode 508) that she is willing to be operated on without anesthesia with a rusty blade by Zee, who has clearly established she is decidedly not the cool kind of aunt who buys you condoms.

Valksy

If the handprint was an umbilical cord and Hades was feeding off her, it would make sense that it was discrete and she was not so intent on ridding herself of it until the opportunity actually presented itself.  Hades seems to have a parasitic connection at this stage.

He was trying to give me a high five, but he missed.
He was trying to give me a high five, but he missed.

Mahlers5th

The Pyrippus may be making an appearance in season 5b. Is Rainer gone for good? Was he merely enlisted by The Wanderer — or Bo’s father posing as The Wanderer – to set in motion his plan to have Bo open the portal, releasing him from Hel, then lure her off the earthly realm to Valhalla? What did Rainer get out of the deal? Liberation from the Death Train and a trip to Valhalla? If Hades is influential in Valhalla, and Rainer should have been transported to Valhalla in the first place (before Trick erased him from history) why did the Wanderer or Hades keep Rainer imprisoned on the Death Train for hundreds of years?

Valksy

Perhaps the Death Train was a kind of emergency measure to stop Rainer from being erased altogether?  Trick wanted him completely wiped from existence – perhaps the train was a bell jar to keep him in stasis until the Wanderer was ready to move that particular pawn.  But that doesn’t explain why Rainer was selected — except for the fact that Rainer was trying to tamper with the Fae natural order of things and might continue to do so if given the chance (e.g. murder the Una Mens).

Honestly though, I think he was a convenient pawn who has been discarded.  To tamper with Bo’s meaningful relationships. And if he was promised Valhalla… well, didn’t he kind of give up in his fight against Massimo?  If it wasn’t a good warrior’s death, he gets nothing.

Did Massimo beat him fairly or did he give up, mission accomplished by playing a role?

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In any case, we weren’t sorry to see Rainer go and hope he is gone for good.

What are we supposed to make of the Artemis candle? Bo “stole” it from Hades a little too easily, so presumably he – or somebody from the afterworld — wanted her to take it. To what end? Simply to allow the Ancients to escape to the earthly plane? Does that mean Hades was at one time in cahoots with the Ancients? It’s hard to believe Persephone could pull this off behind his back and without his knowledge – not with all those bugged blue courtesy phones all over Valhalla. What sort of arrangement is/was there between Hades and the Ancients? Zee seems to suggest in episode 508 (End of Faes) that they had been working together or were pretending to (“Hades may have inspired this shindig…”) but now she professes to want to prevent Hades from using Bo to end the world. Her look of terror when Bo opens her father’s diable-en-boite at the end of episode 508 suggests they are no longer on the same side. What happened?

Valksy

Bo was all but guided to the candle (incidentally, the music box was visible within the nursery in Tartarus, so it is also under Persephone’s control — is she as innocent as she seemed?).  In episode 501, Trick, Dyson, and Lauren read in Tamsin’s diary that “the wearer of the shoes can collect souls to build a dark army – the army to end all life.” Perhaps Persephone would want this since her mother, Demeter, is very much an entity of the realm of earth.  Perhaps Persephone is helping Hades destroy her mother’s realm out of vengeance or as some manifestation of Stockholm Syndrome.

Bo pretty much had that candle pressed into her hands, true.  And it did unleash the Ancients.  It does seem like a huge plot is playing out but I can’t tell who is on which side!

The mysteries remain!

Mahlers5th

The music box. What’s your best guess about what Bo sees at the end of episode 508 (End of Faes)? Why is Zee so terrified – slinking away as soon as she hears the music begin to play?

Valksy

I did love Amanda Walsh’s performance in this scene as the abject horror Zee seems to show has resonated with me since. Is Hades really so alarming to her? He seems to be on her tier of power as an Ancient — or perhaps even her inferior, since he was an Underworld custodian and therefore an administrator, like Freya.

I wonder if the terror is related more to who or what put Hades in the box, having had Hades play his part in creating Bo. If this is the Wanderer, an entity who wants Bo as a mate and would be inconvenienced by her being her father’s daughter, then what is he and why would he be so powerful?

There seems to be a hierarchy of potency across the species that inhabit Bo’s world. Humans are the weakest and have no additional power; Fae prey on humans and have some supernatural ability, the Ancients seem dominant to the Fae and exhibit powers outside the natural. What else might there be that is at the top of this food chain?

According to myth, Zeus and Hades were the children of the Titan Cronus, who was the personification of time and who engaged in a back and forth struggle for power with his own off-spring before being defeated and banished to Tartarus. Since Lost Girl understandably does not replay the myths detail by detail, might this defeat and banishment have been reversed and is it possible that Hades being released will re-ignite a conflict with the apex entity — the Wanderer.

While the Greeks considered Cronus to be the embodiment of chaos, the Roman counterpart character of Saturn is viewed as a positive and guiding entity who managed the divergent species who existed in his realm, provided laws for them to live by and presided over a Golden Age, although what might have been considered a Golden Age could just as easily have been a dictatorship, where the powerful ruled by threat of force and had dominion over all lesser species. This kind of ambiguity seems like a possibility for an ultimate foe for Bo to challenge and conquer, to determine who she is and what she represents to others by her own choice — and in doing so, fulfill the promise of the show itself.

“The local Nymphs and Fauns once lived in these groves,
and a race of men born of trees with tough timber,
who had no laws or culture, and didn’t know how
to yoke oxen or gather wealth, or lay aside a store,
but the branches fed them, and the hunter’s wild fare.

Saturn was the first to come down from heavenly Olympus,
fleeing Jove’s weapons, and exiled from his lost realm.
He gathered together the untaught race, scattered among
the hills, and gave them laws, and chose to call it Latium,

Under his reign was the Golden Age men speak of:
in such tranquil peace did he rule the nations,
until little by little an inferior, tarnished age succeeded,
with war’s madness, and desire for possessions.”

Aeneid VIII – Virgil

Mahlers5th

64kAnd saving the best for last — The $64,000 question: Is Doccubus reunited?

In episode 508, Bo tells Lauren there’ll always be one reason or another to put off their relationship, but she wants to be together, prompting Lauren’s immortal words, “Oh boy…” When Bo asks if that’s “Oh boy, yes” or “Oh boy, no,” Lauren hesitates. Why would Lauren hesitate? As soon as Lauren hesitates, Bo seems distracted, spots Tamsin, and tells Lauren they’ll finish this later. Huh? After pining for Lauren for, like, 23 episodes (or was that just us fans?) you’ve finally asked your ex to be with you again and…you get distracted by the girl you just dumped? “Aaaaannnnnd we’re back,” Lauren says, speaking for an entire fandom. Can you make sense of this for me?

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Valksy

I wonder if Lauren hesitates because Bo has picked the worst time for a chat. It’s not like she pops the question over candles and dinner!  And also keep in mind that Bo’s sense that time is short suggests that – in Bo’s mind at least – she may fail.  This would also be shocking to Lauren, who might have assumed they would eventually prevail, so didn’t see as much (if any) urgency to actually have this conversation.

It’s very much a “This?! Now?!” moment to me, and one that Lauren may see as unnecessary because she has faith in Bo and feels confident that they will win the day. I liked seeing another example of Lauren’s belief.

Bo is distracted by flesh – she’s a succubus.  There is a part of her that is compulsion and raw unregulated desire, but she wants to move beyond her programming and live the life she chooses.  It’s just not so simple for her given that she has already shown she’s not going to be capable of physical monogamy. Is this the closing note of the show? That there is more to meaningful connections with people than something as simple as sex, that emotional resonance is of infinitely more value? Would it be genuinely unique to ask us all to disregard physical intimacy and focus completely on the emotional bonding instead?

Mahlers5th

Do we dare to hope for a “fairy tale” ending or not?

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Valksy

Certainly none of us grew up with romantic tales that end with the girl getting the girl; this would not count as a traditional heteronormative “happy” ending. I think that it is fair to say that many of us have a deep longing to see a finale that would be unique and satisfying and give us all our “princess” moment (well, Bo seems to be the daughter of a King…maybe). Is it a happy ending for Bo to live a long and loving, but in the end sad life with Lauren as the weight of humanity takes its toll? Is it even a sad ending if time comes to pass, as it naturally will for the human doctor we love so much? Should Bo remain as the heir to the Dal, a place of neutrality and balance with the promise of protection if needed? What about Bo saying goodbye to her wife on her passing and returning to the world as the tumbleweed we first met, to become lost and found again in a new adventure with a new family of choice?

Might we, as the viewer, be called upon to make this choice for Bo in our minds as the credits darken, with ambiguity offering many paths to our beloved character and the outcome in the power of each and every one of us? In a show that is ultimately about choice, is this the final choice for us to make?

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11 thoughts on “Guest Post – “Quest-ce que the Hel?”- Unexplained Mysteries of Lost Girl (Season 5a Update)

  1. Just a few points:

    -You have some convincing arguments for The Wanderer not being Bo’s father at this point of the story… But I can’t help being convinced that the contrary was established by the end of S3. Beside daddy’s presence in the Dawning episode, I’m thinking about the scene with Dyson and Tamsin in 3×13 (Dyson’s comment about the music and Tamsin saying «It’s Bo’s father.»). I guess it can be speculate that the writing team had a change of heart after season 3.

    – I agree that we can’t be sure that we can rely on what Persephone said, and we don’t know really on whose side she’s really on. This is why I would be curious to know, among other things, it the analyze of the Aife cell drawing shown is 5×02 would be different if it were to be done without having in mind what Persephone said. I remember that sneech did a nice post about it but I’m not sure it was with this in mind. I’ll have to check.

    – «Do we dare to hope for a “fairy tale” ending or not?» I found interesting how you worded your question. You did not mention what could be speculate but what could be hope.

    -Finally, not sure this is of interest to any of you, and for sure it’s a footnote in the overall story, but I would be curious to know what do you make of the Evony in S5 so far? I was expecting she would have been hiding fearing some Faes would be seeking revenge. But I found it interesting they have shown her using the power of money and wealth as a shield. Nice critic of our times.

    Thank you again for sharing your thoughts.

  2. Thanks for reading, nic.

    If you read our commentary before S5 began, Valksy and I were both convinced that the Wanderer was Bo’s father and that he would eventually be identified as Odin [https://weareunaligned.com/2014/09/26/guest-post-lost-girl-season-5-who-in-hel-is-the-wanderer-and-why-we-still-care/].

    That theory was blown apart in episode 502 with Persephone’s revelation that Hades was Bo’s father. Is it possible she lied about it? We all agree Persephone’s motives are murky and we can’t tell whose side she’s really on…but could she really be lying about Hades? Wouldn’t it be wild if the writers switched up on us again and The Wanderer turned out to be Bo’s REAL father AND Odin after all?!

    Naw…only in the soaps. I clung to a thread of a belief that The Wanderer/Odin might yet turn up to claim his daughter until episode 507. In that episode, the oracles are sent to discover Bo’s “truth” — the person her heart desires most. Bo sees visions of Dyson and Lauren, then hears the voice of Eric Roberts (Hades) which the captions in the “enhanced” screenshots of the scene helpfully identified as the voice of her father. Even Michael Grassi said in an interview about that episode that “the third voice we heard is the one she perhaps subconsciously yearns for the most: her father.” [http://www.cinefilles.ca/2015/01/18/lost-girl-talk-michael-grassi-on-here-comes-the-night/]. I had to live with it: Hades was Bo’s father.

    As for Tamsin seeming to identify The Wanderer phantasm from the tarot card as Bo’s father at the end of episode 313…she tells us in episode 501 that the beast who hired her was not the Wanderer, as she previously thought, but someone “way more powerful.” Then again, according to Trick, we can’t rely on anything she says, so who knows?

    But I think you’re also raising an interesting question that I’m sure many fans have asked themselves: did the writers have one story arc in mind regarding Bo’s patrilineage through S4 (The Wanderer/Odin) then for whatever reason put that in the round file and switched horses (to Hades) in S5?

    Valksy and I find that hard to believe. Call us hopeless fangirls, but we have an abiding faith that the writers and showrunners will manage to bring it all together. Hence the contortions we put ourselves through in this commentary to arrive at the conclusion that Hades (Bo’s father) and The Wanderer (who haunted Bo in S3 and S4) are two different entities, and Valksy offers some interesting ideas about who The Wanderer may turn out to be. I got nothing.

    You were curious about the wording of the question: “Do we dare to hope for a ‘fairy tale’ ending or not?” Valksy actually wrote the question – then answered it for herself, so I’m going to let her take this one.

    Sneech, if you’re reading this, any thoughts about nic’s question about Aife’s cell drawing? One thing I found odd or incongruent about it was that Bo was depicted as a little girl, roughly 3 years old, not as an infant. And yet, we know she was spirited away by Lou Ann and given to her adoptive parents as an infant. Didn’t know what to make of that.

    The hour is late and this is way too long as it is, so I’m going to pass on your interesting observation about Evony except to say – do you think she may have married that stock broker from the 80’s who sired Massimo? Definitely from the 1% ; )

  3. Thanks for your thoughts and comments, Nic. Like Mahlers5th, I find that I really cannot leave the mystery that the show has presented us with alone, and continue to constantly puzzle over it!

    I think my doubts about Wanderer/Hades being the same thing became very strong when we are shown a derelict and all but abandoned Tartarus. Either the entity that became a feature in Season 3 is this terrifying powerful juggernaut who can tamper with perception, reality etc…. or he is this disempowered trapped thing. The most obvious solution to this dissonance of what the Wanderer and/or Hades might be is to start thinking of them as two distinct entities. This would allow for a story that might seem scrambled in places — two entities, two motives, we cannot always discern which is which. And it would explain clues like Tamsin expressing the Wanderer’s wish to create the perfect “mate” — daughter, consort, both wanting her to “rule” with her? Which is which? Can they be the same?

    And although it is “cheating” a bit — I have to recognise that the reality of Wander/Hades being the same thing means that this man is a horrible brutal tyrannical rapist. The story, for Bo, can only dead end here if it is not adjusted. Is there anyway for an audience to shrug and disregard what happened to Aife? I doubt it. Two entities may allow for an “out” — especially if there is an obvious demonstrated difference in power and more manipulation taking place. How else can we, as a viewership, look at Daddy and not just want Bo to kill him on the spot? This is a practical argument to escape a corner the writing team might have placed themselves otherwise.

    Persephone might explain why Zee had such a reaction to Hades’ apparent release from the music box. If she is one of Hades’ victims then, given she (Persephone) is a daughter to Zeus, it could be Zee’s distress and fright at the tyrant being released. Or she is a co-conspirator. I don’t think there is a way to answer this other than to wait and see! Certainly, as someone who healed Bo and then gave her breadcrumbs to the Underworld confrontation, and had custody of the box, I have to suspect she’s in it up to her ears! But that still doesn’t explain Zee’s intense reaction…

    I admit I didn’t get a good look at the artwork you reference at the time the ep screened. The peeling of wallpaper is obviously intended to be passing time, but is that in reference to Bo being born and growing to be a small girl, even though we saw her taken away from Tartarus as an infant, or is the passage of time more about Aife and how long she was held while Hades (whether corrupted by Wanderer or not) was trying to sire offspring? The fact that the artwork shows a small child, not a baby…. A production design choice to designate Bo? (is drawing an infant in that style workable?) Is it Bo who was old enough to draw a self portrait…except that doesn’t work either since we still know she was an infant. Is it Aife, is it…someone else who was held in the same cell? (Persephone perhaps? Another child?)

    We don’t know. Which is what I find so fascinating, if I’m honest. We are shown something which may be a clue — we can argue meaning. But we just don’t know. And I am thinking that is intended (the notion held by some that the production was flailing in the dark, pulling ideas outta the ether…I doubt this very much. The dollar value per minute of television makes that a very dubious business practice indeed!)

    Evony’s role in this? I reflect on the library debate she has with Trick in which he says they are not killing his granddaughter. If Evony thinks this is possible, then at the very least we are reminded of Evony’s own power, which could be nothing more than a way of demonstrating Lauren’s prowess in defeating her. If I’m honest, I’m not that interested or invested in the character and rarely consider her beyond a facilitator of the storyline.

    With regards to a “fairy tale” ending…. I imagine that we all want a “happy” ending, although what this may mean to people is very much variable! A life together, home, family? How does it end? How can it end? Some are going to be pissed off, whatever happens just before that last title crawl. I would not be hugely surprised by a great deal of ambiguity. My optimum ending may well be different from another doccubus fan’s choice — rather than hurt one and serve the other, can the door be left open so that we can BOTH reflect on possibility and finish the story in our own mind?

    I suppose my thoughts on speculation on how it closes are that the optimum ending is not universal, and can be seen in very personal terms. And since my wish for an ending is near and dear to my heart, but may be frustrating or annoying or upsetting to others, I find myself disinclined to lay my cards down on the table =)

    Except to say this — I want the ending to be one of love, as Bo and Lauren (and myself) understand it, being the ultimate victor.

  4. I will add:

    I know some people would be just as infuriated by an ambiguous ending and many would also welcome it. Would it be production cop-out or invitation to freedom of imagination? Both?

    If it works out that way, I would hope that the door is left open to debate (and not slammed shut in anger). That how each of us perceives the ending might well be how we express our own philosophical views of identity, choice and what love is and means to us.

  5. I like — but don’t love — your idea, Valksy, of an ambiguous ending where the viewers fill in the ending with their own heart’s desire and then we get to debate about it happily ever after. Won’t that be fun? Not really, but it sure beats Lauren dying in battle with Hades and then having to wait for millenia in Valhalla for Bo to join her (or did she save the helskor? Was that a one and done deal?).

    I’ve suggested my “fairy tale ending” before but since the show’s life is short and this is likely my last chance, I’ll say it again: everything this season has pointed to Bo and Lauren truly reuniting — BEING together — before LG breathes its last breath and for as long as both shall walk this earth. I’d like that to mean the duration of Lauren’s lifetime — not cut short by a plot device. Since LG historically hasn’t allowed Bo & Lauren to enjoy more than fleeting happiness together (as that would bore all non-Doccubus fans, among other creative reasons) and can’t cram their many happy years together into one episode, I envisioned ep 516 taking place “many years later,” way after the wedding, the births of Ethan and Charlotte, so many years later that we find Laurenon her death-bed. Lauren is reminiscing, as us older folks tend to do, especially on our deathbeds. This allows for the writers to gift us flashbacks to the happier times together. Zoie gets to play herself as an old woman and the spitting image of herself in Charlotte. We bear witness to the last moments of a long wonderful love story, and then — here’s my homage to Kill Bill, to whom Michael Grassi & writers have paid homage in many ways, large and small — Bo and daughter drive off down a long empty highway, destination and future uncertain. Sob.

  6. …and Ethan, who bears some resemblance to Dyson and isreally old enough to fendfor himself, decides to stay behind with the gang at the Dal.
    Problem with my fantasy: we know the very last scene ofthe series takes place in the Dal — the scene of celebratory parties and wakes and at least one famiy dinner in ep 503. Which will it be? I fear Curtain number 2.

  7. I had forgotten the remark about the Dal, that’s a good catch. I guess I could see Bo taking over from Trick as a kind of lighthouse keeper on the “neutral” territory that that Dal was supposed to represent. Certainly Trick would give up his own life for Bo, I don’t think I doubt his devotion to his family. And it is perhaps also worth considering that he never really paid the piper for any of the things that he has done — yes, a degree of “exile”, in hiding himself and surrendering the crown, but is that enough?

    A lot of what you describe in your perfect out does relate to my thoughts about what identity, family, choice and love means.

    I agree that the only romantic love story that works is doccubus. Other loves? Does Bo love Dyson or Tamsin, but not romantically? How about Lauren and Dyson, they’ve learned to care a lot more about one another. Lauren offered an olive branch to Tamsin in the early eps of S5. This is a “family”, outside of Bo and Trick, that has created itself through choice. That these people love one another — outside of romantic love — does make sense.

    How about off-spring? I know some viewers have tried to work round Lauren’s mortality with her own expressed desire for kids and imagined a hocus pocus splicing sort of science solution for how these children could be the natural biological off-spring of Bo and Lauren.

    Conceptually, not impossible (this has been done with mice? although inter-species offer new complexity!) but what about non-blood related family? Must the children be the biological off-spring of both? I would hope that few viewers would view that as inherently necessary for children — what about adoptees and foster kids and any permutation of non-traditional family units? What about family and what can be made of it — 2 parents? More? A loving village of human and fae in a changing and evolving world?

    I know some viewers already cope with the angst of Lauren having a human life span and Bo being Fae by devising fan-written options. Lauren becoming Fae through science is one way out. Bo renouncing her powers and using Lauren’s technique to become human is another. We can consider what this means about identity and how mutable it can be, what it means about sacrifices that are made for the sake of love.

    My personal preference would be for both women to live out their natural lives, granted an accepted that Lauren’s will be shorter, since I think that there is more to be said about the quality of love than the quantity. And what is more, just because Bo has the potential to live a longer life does not mean that she will – those who are warrior champions may well pass before their time — and that mortality should never stand in the way of love.

    What about other relationship taboos? What about age gap, of the appearance of it? We know Dyson is far older than Bo, but the scale involved did not seem to register for people and he never showed particular sign of dating back to the Bronze Age! Some of us did recognise this issue, but it was largely ignored. But what might it mean if **visible** to viewers? What if this truth is presented to us — Bo still youthful, Lauren aged-up. Is this one more way of showing that love as a state of being as simply transcendent of age, of time, of gender and of species?

    Thing is, if the ending is ambiguous, if it is left with the suggestion that life continues beyond the veil of the closing titles and we will not get to share in it, then I can see that fans will continue to imagine their own final act.

    (I do not dispute that, in terms of LGBT politics, representation and general social benefit, a definitive and positive ending WOULD be desirable. It should not be something that I might describe as “brave” and it should not be something that people are already worrying about.)

  8. (It would, of course, be the appearance of an age gap, not an actual meaningful age gap but the appearance is still something that can be seen as taboo.)

    Lauren’s mortality is important, I think, and I can see where Mahlers is coming from — Lauren passing with age after a long fulfilling life with Bo is a “happy” ending, depending on your point of view =) which is a nice illustration of what I was trying to describe in saying that I don’t know we can agree on what the “perfect” ending would actually be).

  9. We seem to be talking to each other, Valksy, but I’m enjoying it, so what the heck. I thought of one more question for you:

    Do we know for a fact that Kenzi/Ksenia will be back for a last episode or two? If so, how would you like to see her story played out?

    1. I still puzzle over Kenzi’s choice to leave. Yes, she went through a heck of an ordeal. And the character did grow into herself — nothing like the Artful Dodger abandoned homeless waif we first met. Of all characters, her growth was the most pronounced.

      But even prophecy agreed she was Bo’s heart.

      And I very much hope that will be part of the closing act — since strong relationships between women that have nothing to do with romantic love, or filial bond, are so incredibly rare.

      I do wonder this though — Her choice to leave, as sudden as it was, I can’t help but think of the second season bargain struck with Evony. A promise was owed then, to save Nate’s life. And, according to some myths, the Morrigan is a psychopomp and has a horse….hmmm…..

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